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Was Rebel Heart Madonna's Last Tour or Not?


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It's not. In 2007 she signed a 360 deal with live nation that included 3 more album (after Celebration it was her last album with her warner contract) and she had to do 4 tour. So since then she released MDNA & Rebel Heart so there's one more album left with that contract. And She did SST MDNA Tour & RHT so there's one more Tour left too. After that we don't know what will happen

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wasn't it 3 albums and 3 tours?

we still have one album left after MDNA and Rebel Heart.

It was 4 Tour and SST is included in those 4 Tour. She signed the deal in 2007 before Hard Candy was released. Warner where still releasing her album but Live Nation already start to promotoe her tour. So after SSt she had to do 3 other tour to support her next 3 album (MDNA, RH, and another one)

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It was 4 Tour

 

I remember all the media talking about how this tour was the last under that contract, since the Sticky & Sweet and MDNA Tours were considered on it, and it was 3 albums and 3 tours. I recall clearly reading on a newspaper on 2007 about that contract.

 

anyways, she still has to release one more album. and I don't think this was her final tour... she's said "don't you tell me to stop!"

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Bear in my mind just because the media says something, that doesn't automatically make it true. They wouldn't know anymore about her Live Nation contract than we do. The general consensus seems to be one more tour and one more album but that is just general consensus obviously. In my humble opinion I don't think she will quit touring but I don't see her committing to another contract that locks her into x amount of tours in x amount of time like the current deal. I can see her touring again at her own discretion like she did for the first 15 years of her career. She's going to be 60 by the time she hits the road the next time.

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When MDNA Tour happened I knew it was the last massive scale tour she would do, Rebel Heart was definitely more intimate and scaled down, when she did Tears of a Clown I had a feeling this was going to be closer to what we will see in the future. Maybe she will do one more big show, but I have a feeling after that she will tour on and off whenever she feels like it and do small shows like TOAC, that way she can just quickly put a troupe together and do a handful of shows wherever and whenever the mood strikes her. 

 

If she stops it will just happen, no huge announcement and no fanfare, I say that only because I don't think she will ever intend to stop doing live shows, life will just get in the way.

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I don't think it has ever been officially confirmed whether the 2009 leg of the Sticky & Sweet Tour counted as a seperate tour in terms of her contract.

 

But considering the amount she raked in for the contract, I think it's probable that the term "tour" is a loose way of defining a contractual obligation for her to perform a specific number of shows. There would be a lot of fine print that we wouldn't be privy to in a contract of that magnitude. If they had simply signed her up for four tours she could have went out and done four individual month-long tours and wrapped up the contract within a year or two. My guess would be that the fine print for each tour required a set number of performance dates in order to fulfill the contract, and that if she decided to lengthen any tour beyond the required number of dates they would be subtracted from the total number of performances remaining in the contract.

 

When the contract was initially signed, the most shows she had ever performed on tour was 60 dates during The Confessions Tour. So if we were to use that number as an estimated standard tour length, four tours would be 240 shows. She has performed 255 shows to date under her current contract. And I'm sure there are about a gazillion other legal factors involved. Obviously Live Nation stood to earn a lot more per performance when she played stadiums vs arenas. Whether or not she would be able to sustain high ticket prices (which she has) may have factored into the math as well. And there may have been more specific financial stipulations, such as if any tour did not reach a set threshold of income, the loss would either need to be offset by a more successful tour which exceeded the threshold or be recouped through additional performance dates.

 

What I'm getting at is that it's probably much more complicated than the details that were issued in the press release. But even if her contract has been fulfilled, I wouldn't consider that to be a sign that she won't tour again. In some ways, I'd kind of like for the Live Nation contract to be over. It's been a fun ride, but at this point in her life I think she has earned the right to do what she feels like doing artistically without all the financial strings and corporate expectations attached. Like if she were to decide to tour next year for two months in small venues only, she could easily do that, post-contract. And it's not like she'd have any trouble finding a promoter to work with. She could even continue to work with Live Nation on a one-off basis without any long-term deal. I'd like to see her take the opportunity to pursue things that stem purely from inspiration rather than contractual obligation.

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I don't think it has ever been officially confirmed whether the 2009 leg of the Sticky & Sweet Tour counted as a seperate tour in terms of her contract.

 

I remember that legally was considered as a stand-alone tour. it even had a separate section on madonna.com

 

so yeah. with the Sticky & Sweet, MDNA and Rebel Heart tours we're done. and she has to release an album before the end of 2018. it's up to her if she wants to tour it or no.

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I don't think it has ever been officially confirmed whether the 2009 leg of the Sticky & Sweet Tour counted as a seperate tour in terms of her contract.

 

But considering the amount she raked in for the contract, I think it's probable that the term "tour" is a loose way of defining a contractual obligation for her to perform a specific number of shows. There would be a lot of fine print that we wouldn't be privy to in a contract of that magnitude. If they had simply signed her up for four tours she could have went out and done four individual month-long tours and wrapped up the contract within a year or two. My guess would be that the fine print for each tour required a set number of performance dates in order to fulfill the contract, and that if she decided to lengthen any tour beyond the required number of dates they would be subtracted from the total number of performances remaining in the contract.

 

When the contract was initially signed, the most shows she had ever performed on tour was 60 dates during The Confessions Tour. So if we were to use that number as an estimated standard tour length, four tours would be 240 shows. She has performed 255 shows to date under her current contract. And I'm sure there are about a gazillion other legal factors involved. Obviously Live Nation stood to earn a lot more per performance when she played stadiums vs arenas. Whether or not she would be able to sustain high ticket prices (which she has) may have factored into the math as well. And there may have been more specific financial stipulations, such as if any tour did not reach a set threshold of income, the loss would either need to be offset by a more successful tour which exceeded the threshold or be recouped through additional performance dates.

 

What I'm getting at is that it's probably much more complicated than the details that were issued in the press release. But even if her contract has been fulfilled, I wouldn't consider that to be a sign that she won't tour again. In some ways, I'd kind of like for the Live Nation contract to be over. It's been a fun ride, but at this point in her life I think she has earned the right to do what she feels like doing artistically without all the financial strings and corporate expectations attached. Like if she were to decide to tour next year for two months in small venues only, she could easily do that, post-contract. And it's not like she'd have any trouble finding a promoter to work with. She could even continue to work with Live Nation on a one-off basis without any long-term deal. I'd like to see her take the opportunity to pursue things that stem purely from inspiration rather than contractual obligation.

100% agree, they would be more focused on dates played and revenue than "tours".

 

In terms of possible loss of revenue, LN could have stipulated that any loss could be offset by more dates. So for example if Madonna played 88 dates but at a lower revenue than was expected, LN might easily say revenue wise you have only played 50 or 60 dates and still owe us 20 - 30 more. There are all sorts of possibilities.

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100% agree, they would be more focused on dates played and revenue than "tours".

 

In terms of possible loss of revenue, LN could have stipulated that any loss could be offset by more dates. So for example if Madonna played 88 dates but at a lower revenue than was expected, LN might easily say revenue wise you have only played 50 or 60 dates and still owe us 20 - 30 more. There are all sorts of possibilities.

Nah I think that their take from each show is worked out well in advance that they make their own profit each show. If it came do them losing more money than worth due to low ticket sales they'd cancel for some bs rationale.

 

Like economic crisis:

 

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A delay because of production issues which leads to a rescheduling and then a cancellation:

 

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Or hell Madonna just might get pregnant:

 

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Guest ArthurBadin

Sorry for bringing up this old conversation to nowadays, but I have to see two things.

1) For sure M's team reworked the 360 deal with LN to make S&ST Round I and II as two separate tours, since she has no virtual time to develop a new tour till the end of this year (that's when that awful contract expires, finally). All what remains to fullfill it is a new studio album which can be just a new rehash of rejected demos as much as it was MDNA (it could be made only with the discarded RH demos that leaked, only having a "proper" mastering (by M and Demo, of course!!!!)

2) @@SimonVenekeo Wish I could tell it on ATRL but no way I'd join that forum only to tell it to you. I wish to thank ful, because, due to your huge collection of Rebel Heart copies sold around the world, I was quite of jealous and decided to give a pass to that album after hearing it and understanding it wasn't worth to be part of my collection. Watching your photo on ATRL featuring so many CDs from everywhere made me have that dream I had when I bought the album (the Deluxe version of it since the Standard wasn't released on my country), just to help my cat to live more a little time. In fact, after buying it, my cat lived for more than a month (this is the power of belief and desire, as M said on RHT concert film, "be careful with what you wish"). I bought also the SD version of it after knowing it would be released here too (UMG Brazil gave the excuse of a possible visit from RHT to South America). So I made my own collection of RH CD's, all due to Simon's one. I'm only telling that story as a curiosity, to share this old, particular event of mine and just to thank Simon for his enterprise. Don't even know if he would want his part of the story to be revealed but anyway, he was crucial on it. For sure if Madonna, Maverick and Interscope are reading my post, they should be thankful after all. This is a perfect example of a stan inspiring another one. For sure I've found so many stans in my life as a M one to inspire me. And I am so thankful for being here on Infinity and revealing some of my personal tales to them, especially for those who have done a contribution in my life as a M stan. See you!

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Hi,

i have a question. Who is thinking the Rebel Heart tour was Madonnas last tour ?

I  can not imagine  , do you?

 

 

 

Best regards

Madonna lover

And by the way, answering your question, I don't see RHT as her last tour for sure, but also for sure she won't tour for a long time. "Loved" is in its way to happen and of course there will lots of time to spend for its production. As M said, only in 2019, when she's more than 60, she will embark on tour again. And this time, please God, I don't wanna see another disgraceful 360 deal contract or something similar with any corporation. She needs to do her things as they should be; no pressure, no half-baked concerts like the ones we saw from 2008 to 2012 (some would incorporate 2015-2016 period as well).

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