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I wish Madonna wouldn't use alcohol as a theme so often..


Dany Targaryen
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I think this whole thread begun from a place of self-importance. I don't really drink myself and I grew up with an alcoholic and abusive grandfather, alcoholic uncle and a father whose alcohol issues almost broke up my family. But this isn't victimhood Olympics and I don't go about pointing fingers at those who enjoy drinking. If you get triggered by a pop star sipping rosé then I would sincerely suggest a counselling service.  :wink:

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It's got nothing to do with Madonna being criticised, that doesn't bother me. I tend to take issue with people trying to moderate others' behaviour due to a personal trauma they've experienced. I understand it, I get where it comes from, but ultimately I don't think it's helpful  :cute:.

 

 

It's ironic cos you're doing the same thing to OP. I mean it's classic that we expect others to toughen up once we "get over" our personal traumas, but that's not very empathetic. A lot of us have been down af and we know it's not that easy and that it takes a lot of time and work. I'm sure you wouldn't have appreciated someone being so flippant towards you about seeking counselling and stuff. IJS...

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It's ironic cos you're doing the same thing to OP. I mean it's classic that we expect others to toughen up once we "get over" our personal traumas, but that's not very empathetic. A lot of us have been down af and we know it's not that easy and that it takes a lot of time and work. I'm sure you wouldn't have appreciated someone being so flippant towards you about seeking counselling and stuff. IJS...

 

If someone wants to come after me for having gone to counselling (or for anything else) bring it on. I can hold my own, I'm not ashamed and, more importantly, I don't see myself as a victim and don't expect the whole world to adjust its behaviour just so I don't get upset or offended. Empathy - or lack thereof - aside, that's just unrealistic, don't you think?  :wink:

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If someone wants to come after me for having gone to counselling (or for anything else) bring it on. I can hold my own, I'm not ashamed and, more importantly, I don't see myself as a victim and don't expect the whole world to adjust its behaviour just so I don't get upset or offended. Empathy - or lack thereof - aside, that's just unrealistic, don't you think?  :wink:

 

Let's not make the thread about you tbh.

 

No one here is victimizing themselves. No one said they expect the world to adjust to them. OP clearly said it was just his opinion, he wasn't upset nor offended. Being rude is unnecessary. :) 

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It's got nothing to do with Madonna being criticised, that doesn't bother me. I tend to take issue with people trying to moderate others' behaviour due to a personal trauma they've experienced. I understand it, I get where it comes from, but ultimately I don't think it's helpful  :cute:.

I totally get what you are saying. It's a little disturbing to me someone can simply associate Madonna's social drinking or her adding alcohol as part of her act to a personal affliction as if it's going to lead people to abuse alcohol or people like his father did.  Just utterly ridiculous!   People do stupid and horrible things under influence of drugs, but no one force those drugs on them. They made that choice.

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First let me tell you my story as briefly as I can.

 

My father was a probation officer so he had the permition to carry guns. He was an alcoholic. So every night when he came home he started drinking compulsively. I have a sister and we would hug our Mom in bed while this was happening. After about an hour of drinking he had this habit of taking up his handguns and walking back and forth throughout the house. Real guns. Sometimes he would threaten to shoot our heads and kill us I'm not kidding.

 

Our Mom would do everything she could to protect us, so he often pulled her out and beat her until blood came out. She would gladly take the beating as long as he didn't touch us. I'm gonna be honest we rarely got beaten, but I must tell you the entire experience was much worse for us than getting hit. So eventually my Mom and Dad separated, she suffered quietly while she saved some money so we could have a house and she could leave him. This took years and it was at a time when the law didn't protect her or us at all. He went live in a remote place and we haven't really heard from him. My Mom became an alcoholic, she would drink almost every day. Recently she passed away at 58 of a brain tumor. We did everything we could to treat her, including a surgery with the best surgeon we could find. She died about a month after the surgery. And we were told that if she didn't drink so much she could have survived.

 

So in case you haven't figured I HATE alcohol. I have nothing against people who drink moderately but it disappoints me that Madonna has been using alcohol as a theme quite often. Just look at the Rebel Heart show, there are plenty of references to drinking, including that fake banana that wasn't filled with water. In Holiday they bottom-up several bottles and some dancers pretend to be drunk.

 

She has done it a few times already, it's time to move on. Madonna if you want to encourage people to do bad things there are plenty of other options. You can do something else I know it. I love you anyway but please consider maybe doing less of that? That's just my opinion.

There it is... the assumption that Madonna drinking in her act is "encouraging people to do bad things", which additionally alludes that anyone who drinks will "do bad things".   There are millions of people who drink... who drink responsibly and harm no one and don't "do bad things"! 

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There it is... the assumption that Madonna drinking in her act is "encouraging people to do bad things", which additionally alludes that anyone who drinks will "do bad things".   There are millions of people who drink... who drink responsibly and harm no one and don't "do bad things"! 

 

With "doing bad things" he meant drinking alcohol. Anyone saying it meant anything more than that is assuming stuff, pretty dramatically.

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With "doing bad things" he meant drinking alcohol. Anyone saying it meant anything more than that is assuming stuff, pretty dramatically.

I know what he meant!  Drinking alcohol doesn't necessarily correlate with "doing bad things".

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