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  1. Sorry! You're totally right. Perhaps it was at the dress rehearsal.
  2. You are correct regarding GGW, but she did actually sing Iconic live on occasion, albeit over a very audible prerecorded vocal, and Vogue was performed live on opening night at the Forum in LA in 2004.
  3. http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/pop/8006663/madonna-erotica-album-sex-book-oral-history So great to see the album, and Madonna, getting serious love for an absolutely extraordinary chapter in her career. â¤ï¸â¤ï¸â¤ï¸
  4. Just for the record, LDLHA was a single in Japan in March 1986.
  5. I'm 40. The gay people of my generation hated the idea of a celebrity pandering to the community for commercial gain. Madonna always held a uniquely authentic connection to gay culture. Some accused her of cultural appropriation and pillaging, but her compassionate involvement in raising AIDS awareness and fighting for equality through visibility pretty much canceled those people out as "old skool haters". It seems like in Today's culture Madonna now has to do whatever a Gaga is doing in terms of contemporary LGBTQI-pandering in order to avoid being seen as a has-been or a lesser queer diva. It's simply a question of the quickening passage of time and the modernist obsession with the ever-shifting Now, and while many of us don't like to admit that we are getting older and that younger gay men honestly don't have much of a universal respect for or fundamental interest in Madonna, it often seems that way to me. It's understandable. She is almost 60, and she hasn't really connected directly with gay culture in a long time. Ironically, this is also probably why she doesn't connect with mainstream culture either. Madonna has become a punching bag of cynicism in the last five years, and she knows it. Therefore, doing Drag Race is essentially a hugely logical step for her if being revered by gay men is still something she cares about symbolically, commercially and personally...However, if she wants to pull it off she'd better seriously fiercen up. Vampire makeup, yellow hair, floral prints and thick midsection-enhancing summer dress designs would be a disappointment and a PR fiasco in my very humble opinion.
  6. I know this is meant to be limited to individual unpopular opinions, but if i can allow myself to interject regarding the quality of previous tours, I would like to say that Reivention was a tour that showed Madonna at a technical best as a singer, and Who's That Girl was more energetic with full dexterity than any other performer I've ever seen captured on video. I get that with the expectation of technological bells and whistles we have grown accustomed to self-oneupmanship, but we owe it to Madonna and to ourselves to have the ability to focus on the caliber of the individual rendering the live performance outside of the aesthetic delivery. Madonna had always been a masterclass peformer, and to state anything different fails to acknowledge this. That said, I understand that some tours as a whole are more entertaining to watch than others, and Reivention and Who's That Girl were not filmed in a way that does them visual justice.
  7. I believe the boxer theme was rejected because, from a commercial point of view, they didn't want her to launch combattively. This hasn't traditionally served Madonna well on a commercial level. It's a great album. It was just the dawn of a new era in which her fans were challenged to accept her as a maturing singer breaking from the confines of the trendsetting popstar she was expected to be with each release through Confessions. They knew she wouldn't continue to sell like the hottest new singers anymore imho, and so they tried something different. At the end of the day, it was a return to roots record, more like the first album than any other. As with everything she has done post-50, she was dismissed for it rather than praised for the context of nostalgia. Madonna can never really win in that sense. As an underdog, there is always a faction that is determined to declare her a failure.
  8. Artistically, I have mostly adored Madonna. However, I find the level of corporate capitalism espoused by her in such contrast with her message in recent years that I am often angered by what seemingly amounts to superficiality and a drive away from her artistic legacy. Example: Her interview with Vice in which she normalized her motivation for making Secret Project as a result of having her underwear designs rejected for commercial exploitation while claiming that there is too much "corporate branding", a theme she opened her Rebel Heart tour with. Oh. And the grillz.
  9. Angelina Jolie's film First They Killed My Father is a Netflix film. She directed it. I'd imagine Madonna is securing the same sort of deal for her Greta Wells adaptation, which I believe has the working title Love.
  10. Humidity and the fact that at that point in the tour her hair had grown substantially: an extra inch, humidity and a lot of hairspray will do that! It was criminal! Should have just wet it, slicked back. Sort of like Holiday at the end of the Who's That Girl tour. But instead they got the hair and the man voice!!! Legendary nonetheless.
  11. Just a theory, but I've often wondered if Madonna's management isn't more aligned with a career like that of Barbra Streisand's...In other words, they save these "extras" for later legacy releases, when she is no longer competing with contemporary music. Barbra's concerts and TV specials were released decades later, and her core fanbase was thrilled. Gotta save some goodies for the later years!
  12. I prefer both of the versions mentioned. They would have fit much better. Such a shame that album release was ruined by theft and panic. The entire period was marred by the way it all went down. The rushed release of those first tracks really killed the entire momentum in my opinion, and being flooded with so many demos might have felt like being a kid in a candy shop to a fan at the time, but with hindsight I feel it made the concept a total fog. In this day and age, fans would have still been interested had the final versions been decided upon and released as originally scheduled. Subsequently, the album is seen as a fiasco. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Madonna's lack of enthusiasm for recording and releasing music has been permanently diminished as a result. A lot of albums have been leaked over the past decade, but nothing as pernicious as the Rebel Heart hijacking.
  13. A forum is a place of debate and discussion, and as this is a Madonna forum, I would hope anyone voicing an opinion is doing so because they are appreciative of and passionate about their interest in Madonna. Otherwise, what's the point?! I honestly understand why negative opinions irk many...I have been on a variety of Madonna forums for almost two decades now, and frankly, as the forums come and go, so do the fans. A lot of this was because of an inability to pursue fair debate without personal attacks. Things escalate quickly when you get personal, and it is a major disservice to our community. I have only recently reinvested in open discussions of this sort outside of personal relationships with fans I have met over the years, and so I hope we are all able to understand that if a person takes the time to invest in writing a thoughtful post of praise or criticism that it is only to further serve the deepening of our understanding and love of the woman we have been observing and analyzing for many a decade! To suggest that a person be less cerebral and just enjoy things is, in my opinion, disrespectful and counterintuitive to a forum. In no way would I ever tell anyone else how to view something so deeply personal! I love reading well-developed essays and diatribes about Madonna. She is endlessly fascinating in so many ways, but times they are a changing and sometimes we are just trying to make sense of how our traditional views on aspects of Madonna's career have evolved and how they fit in as the pop cultural landscape radically evolves with time and generational shifts. I hope everyone who has expressed themselves in this thread feels the same way, and continues to do so. This thread is probably one of the most interesting I have participated in for some time. Everything is relative and in constant flux! Just today, after seeing pictures of Madonna at Diddy's documentary screening and coming out of an LA workout I got excited and felt my heart warm. So just know that a different opinion doesn't define the entirety of one's fandom and admiration, nor the journey that fandom has taken us on individually! Keep the faith!
  14. I was just being facetious. Although I did recently read that some uppity bitch claimed Einstein embraced Christianity upon his death bed and rejected his theories. It's a total falsehood, but it still establishes how potent other people's opinions can be after we die. Madonna holds the key if legacy is important to her. I don't expect her to see her career that way as she is just living her life, but she is an icon. She has had such an enormous influence. Until a few years ago, one could honestly say we are just living in Madonna's world...Not so much today. That is essentially her own doing. Perhaps this was intentional. Still, it sucks as a fan to watch her fade slightly due to her determination to be contemporary in style. You'd think she'd know better. I guess the bottom line I am finding in all the dialog is that everyone seems to be blaming the radio for being ageist, when it is actually the public. They are the ones who reject collectively.